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Environmental affinity


Environmental affinity
User: sunset68
Date: 6/19/2012 4:50 am
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According to the wiki "...higher levels in this affinity will give you more water and less waste over time from things that produce water and waste. It also increases the water storage capacity of buildings capable of doing so"

Is that how its meant to work in the game?

I ask because it doesnt in any way, and if thats how its meant to work im amazed after all this time such a fundanental aspect is broken.

In game water production actually decreases with higher environmental (though it barely changes at all, certainly not 4% increase per affinity point), and waste production isnt effected at all no matter what level environmental affinity is.

Water storage increases with environmental as its described to, but besides the opposite effect on water production, the only effect on waste is it makes the waste conversion plants use more waste for the same production (makes them less efficient with higher affinity)

heres some lvl 1 buildings to compare the differences with environmental 1 and environmental 7 (figures are per hour) I used the following identical affinities in both cases (manufacturing, reseach, farming, mining and science all 1, deception, political, trade and growth all 7, management 4, just switching env 1 and orbits 7 with env 7 and orbits 1) to prevent any other affinity having any effect.

atmospheric evaporator env 1 produces 184 water 63 trash

                                   env 7 produces 179 water 63 trash

waste exchanger env 1 converts 234 trash to 78 ore/water/energy

                         env 7 converts 288 trash to 78 ore/water/energy

(i used these to show the difference better, but the ratios are the same with all buildings)

So in summary the environmental affinity effects in game are

a straight reduction of water production with increased environmental though it changes only slightly at all (opposite effect described)

waste production is unaffected (description says it is reduced with increased affinity)

waste conversion uses more waste to produce the same resources, this increases waste reduction on the planet, but its efficiency is lower the higher the affinity (not sure if this is intentional but from the description efficiency ought to improve)

Re: Environmental affinity
User: lemming
Date: 6/19/2012 8:36 am
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Taking a quick look at a couple different buildings show that there might be an issue with the two buildings you used, but the Affinity is doing what it should at least with a couple other buildings.

And yes, the waste usage goes up with a waste exchanger, the higher the env affinity.  Better affinity, more waste gets taken away.

I'll look deeper into this when I get a chance.

Also for your math, make sure boosts are either running on both empires and for Atmospheric Evaporators that both planets have the same water content.

Which empires over on PT are you running this test with?

Lemmings in Spaaaacccce!

Re: Environmental affinity
User: sunset68
Date: 6/19/2012 1:17 pm
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sorry i didnt note the water on the planet and just retested with the water the same, and it is working as described for the water (please delete all the tralala accounts on test i went through to get same water planet! though i set all to detonate)

However the description for waste on the wiki still says that buildings that produce waste (thats all of them except waste conversion buildings) give less waste for higher environmental, yet no matter what environmental is set to waste production remains the same.

The only effect environmental has on waste is increasing the waste used and decreasing the efficiency of waste conversion buildings.  Even if it was intended to mean this rather than the stated lowering of waste production from buildings that produce it, better environmental making you less efficient at converting it to resources seems completely backwards


also appologies if this was the wrong place to post this

Re: Environmental affinity
User: lemming
Date: 6/19/2012 1:49 pm
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"decreasing the efficiency of waste conversion buildings."

Well, I'm going to have to say that's a difference in opinion of what is more efficient.  Most people want the waste to go away so having that increase is a good idea.

Anyway, I am putting this conversation into things to think about, but won't get to it until after a few other priorities.

Lemmings in Spaaaacccce!

Re: Environmental affinity
User: sunset68
Date: 6/19/2012 3:28 pm
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I agree its better to get rid of waste, and its probably just semantics, but if something gets more efficient its a better rate of exchange not using more.

Which would you say was more efficient for example in the following

1 gallon of gasoline used to get 60 miles of distance from a car (like environment 1 using x waste for y resources)

2 gallons of gasoline used to get 60 miles of distance from a car (like environment 7 using more waste but only getting the same resources)


But theres also as said the case that the wiki states buildings producing waste produce less at environmental 7, when waste production isnt affected at all, just waste conversion. So should say "...will give you more water and use more waste over time from things that produce water and use waste..." to match what it actually does, regardless of the issue of better environment affinity needing more waste to produce the same resources.


Re: Environmental affinity
User: jcheung1
Date: 6/28/2012 7:12 am
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now see, most people have the problem of too much waste.

build up your university or something ;)